If the rating lists started to test the supposed derivatives Vas would jump immediately to prove they're clones...

You think so? There's already this: http://inwoba.de/bayeselo.html And note too that when there was a hint of a legal challenge, Firebird was obligingly renamed Fire. Matters don't ...

There could be a perfect strategy, that is not regression, that is a possible future for when chess is solved. Until then it seems to be a balance of material and position.

How could there be a perfect strategy in a drawn or lost position against unknown opponents, including imperfect opponents ...

There could be a perfect strategy, that is not regression, that is a possible future for when chess is solved. Until then it seems to be a balance of material and position.

How could there be a perfect strategy in a drawn or lost position against unknown opponents, including imperfect opponents ...

Delaying checkmate (in a lost position) seems a pretty good strategy. But is it the most optimal? What about avoiding symmetrical pawn structures? Or avoiding queen swaps? Etc. So the optimal strategy features could indeed be different and not cloned. Note that we're no longer talking about a ...

I guess we won't know the specifics of what is most optimal until chess is solved, because that will provide the greatest insight. The perfect strategy would be cloned, while the optimal features used in losing positions may vary.

Yes, "the optimal features used in losing positions may vary." But ...

I was saying that chess engines (that are programmed to play perfect moves & have solved chess), will essentially play the same "perfect outline" hence being a clone.

The outside coding I was talking about is just that. The 32TB plus the perfect move /solved chess programming. It does not exist ...

I was saying that chess engines (that are programmed to play perfect moves & have solved chess), will essentially play the same "perfect outline" hence being a clone.

The outside coding I was talking about is just that. The 32TB plus the perfect move /solved chess programming. It does not exist ...

I don't follow any of the above. For any position, one of the three following ideas is true.

(1) side to move wins with perfect play. Doesn't matter what the opponent does, the side to move will win, since it will never play a non-perfect move.

(2) side to move loses with perfect play. In this ...

A perfect strategy is one in which chess is solved and lays out all the moves to make in order to win during positions.

What does a "perfect" strategy recommend in a drawn or lost position? Toss a coin?
I cannot say because chess has not been solved yet so we do not know.

Another thing we do ...

xshat wrote:A perfect strategy is one in which chess is solved and lays out all the moves to make in order to win during positions.

What does a "perfect" strategy recommend in a drawn or lost position? Toss a coin?