Jesus is Caesar

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by orgfert » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:55 pm

thorstenczub wrote: the divus julius cult was transposed into christianity.

therefore it was only one small step to make christianism romain state religion, because it was state religion under and after caesar before. it is the same.
Since Caesar is a religion cult, we can then assume both stories are made up and fiction. All religions are fake. This is your proof that Caesar is fake too. :) I always win with your arguments. Coins, Catholics have Jesus coins, so does the Caesar cult. Statues, busts, paintings even. All of fake people.

You cannot win against your own arguments. You are a genius. ;)

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by thorstenczub » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:03 pm

orgfert wrote:
thorstenczub wrote: the divus julius cult was transposed into christianity.

therefore it was only one small step to make christianism romain state religion, because it was state religion under and after caesar before. it is the same.
Since Caesar is a religion cult, we can then assume both stories are made up and fiction.

of course it is fiction that caesar went into heaven or was resurrected.
but this religious cult existed 100 years before "jesus" appeared.

All religions are fake.
indeed. but the caesar religion has its origin in the existing person called caesar.

This is your proof that Caesar is fake too. :) I always win with your arguments. Coins, Catholics have Jesus coins, so does the Caesar cult. Statues, busts, paintings even. All of fake people.

You cannot win against your own arguments. You are a genius. ;)
what a nonsense you write.

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by orgfert » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:08 pm

thorstenczub wrote:...the caesar religion has its origin in the existing person called caesar.
If this can be true for Caesar, it can also be true for Jesus. The evidence for both is of equivalent quality.

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by thorstenczub » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:39 pm

no. caesars and jesus locations, names, etc. are 1:1 similar.

its obvious that they did not only die the same day, but that they are in fact the same person.

jesus is caesar.

only 100 years transposed into the future. caesars life transposed as jewish messias.

when you say jesus existed, that means that caesar existed and that the stories about jesus have been in fact the stories caesar has lived. that the sayings he said are in fact made by caesar, that caesar was resurrected and his ascension into heaven, that caesars clementia caesaris is the "love-your-enemy" message.

for the first time in the history of christianism we have evidence.
the evidence that the lord existed. he lived in the romain empire and his real name is caesar.

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by orgfert » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:54 pm

thorstenczub wrote:no. caesars and jesus locations, names, etc. are 1:1 similar.

its obvious that they did not only die the same day, but that they are in fact the same person.

jesus is caesar.

only 100 years transposed into the future. caesars life transposed as jewish messias.

when you say jesus existed, that means that caesar existed and that the stories about jesus have been in fact the stories caesar has lived. that the sayings he said are in fact made by caesar, that caesar was resurrected and his ascension into heaven, that caesars clementia caesaris is the "love-your-enemy" message.

for the first time in the history of christianism we have evidence.
the evidence that the lord existed. he lived in the romain empire and his real name is caesar.
See it this way. Jesus Christ is claimed to be messiah of the Jews, yes? That is the claim. He is supposed to proceed from the God YHWH. And the Hebrew books write centuries before Caesar that Satan claims to rise equal with God, and this Satan promises also to men that they can do the same, rise to be equal with God. This is the Satan lie which he knows is a half-truth of the Hebrew faith because a man-Messiah is a prophecy of the Hebrews from the most ancient of times, over a thousand years before Caesar. So this Satan spreads his influences all through history on the earth using heathen counterfeit religions in which men become gods or equal/synonym with the highest gods; Zeus, Apollo, El, Baal, Amun, Krishna (all the same pantheons just different names) exactly like he Satan aspires to be equal with YHWH. In the Hebrew religion Satan is the source of these fake, anti-YHWH religions.

So a religion-educated person is not surprised if non-Jewish man-deities bear some faint resemblance to a promised Hebrew man messiah (you are surprised but others are not). It is expected by Hebrews and seen in heathen religions of Canaan, Egypt, Greece, Babylon, Persia, etc., etc., etc., like a broken record of fakes and similitudes. You pretend Caesar is the first, but his is just one of the several fakes, all mene, mene, tekel u-pharsin. You cannot afterward say that the Jewish messiah is a counterfeit of these ersatz. It is illogical for a believer in a Jewish messiah to accept your counterfeit as a pattern for the original. On the contrary, the original is the pattern for the counterfeit. The Hebrew prophesies (Qumran scrolls alone) that describe the moshiach predate Caesar by over a hundred years at least. The earliest copies of Caesars writings date to hundreds of years after he died, probably edited to make him look more like Jesus. So don't make me laugh with your crazy story. The reputation of Jesus of Nazareth is above criticism compared to the fake Caesar man-god who is proven a rapist, war lord and blood-guilty. The Jesus Messiah is without stain in all accounts of his life and was executed as an innocent man exactly as the Hebrew prophecy predicted before Caesar was born. Caesar was a guilty despot dying by swords in the same manner which he had killed many.

This is how we know the Caesar==Jesus equation is so lame and laughing like a horse. It is perfectly like a broken record of ancient anti-YHWH religions, all selling the same quarter-baked inventions of faulty men-gods. So extremely paltry is this book you have wasted your time to read. It has no power to persuade except to those who never went to school.

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by thorstenczub » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:39 am

i try to understand your text. but i cannot understand you.
i guess you want to say something but i don't get it.

caesar existed. and was a god. and he is the origin of jesus.

no other person lived at the time, in the location, with the same congruent
patterns in the area.

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by thorstenczub » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:59 am

2000 years later we believe that there was a person with the name jesus,
when in fact this person was caesar.

we cannot find jesus in history of that time ... because it was caesar.

our point of view about caesar has changed over the 2000 years due to hollywood movies etc.

the idea to rewrite caesars story into a jewish messias story was, to integrate the jewish citizens into the romain empire.

while the normal romains prayed to caesar and went into the temples to praise him,
the jewish people did not do so.
they did not pay taxes, they did not praise caesar even when tortured.
so caesars biography was transposed into jewish style and patterns and published.

it can be that many jews followed this "invented" messias.
later this group changed into christians.

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by orgfert » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:48 am

thorstenczub wrote:the idea to rewrite caesars story into a jewish messias story was, to integrate the jewish citizens into the romain empire.
This is the same level as the Da Vinci Code, designed to impress the naive, uneducated people.

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by thorstenczub » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:56 am

i don't know what you mean. da vinci code ? whats this ? a book ?

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Re: Jesus is Caesar

Post by orgfert » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:32 pm

thorstenczub wrote:i don't know what you mean. da vinci code ? whats this ? a book ?
I dare not tell you or you will believe it is also true.

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