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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by deeds » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:53 pm

Sedat wrote: ...
what about Deeds?
No any known member is supporting him,
Anymore !! Maybe I'm missing something?
...
Strange because it is precisely my supporters who point out your lies to me and advise me to respond or not.

And above all, I absolutely do not want my supporters (and the others) to waste their time talking to you.
They all remember your behavior towards MZ, Rulleeeee, IbaiBur, Orgz, etc.
Reminder : https://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4180

99% of the time, engine trainers/EXP authors work in their own corner.
They often consult privately about their results, whether to strengthen their experience data, train their engine with key positions, which openings to learn, etc.
So many topics you don't understand.

I bet you don't even know that EXP authors can train an EXP file with an opening book as sparring-partner without playing a single game :shock:

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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by deeds » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:36 pm

Sedat wrote: ...
Maybe I'm missing something?
...
Just with my few evidence about your unfair tourney's conditions (renamed file, concurrency > 1, training/tourney mode, gui's moves, etc.), you already feel like you are under bombardment :
Sedat wrote: ...
Plus his attacks are like serious bombardment over Me!)
...
I hope for you that my supporters or other members will not join me in denouncing your tourney's conditions. In your own supporters, there has already been Orgz ("unprofessional") then Homayoun ("meaningless") then Skynet ("mistakes") then ding-bat ("Pointless"), that's already a lot...

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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by deeds » Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:24 pm

Sedat wrote: ...
Only one thing, what I agree with Deeds,
Some members are interested in only games,
Or only in downloading engines, books etc.
My respect,
...
I realized that these fake supporters existed when I shared my first EXP file on chess2u.

Their first mistake was to merge Eman's experience data with Sugar's. There I had a first doubt about Alexchess, Anton101, Cubail, Igor, etc. 8-)

Their second mistake was to hijack my tools to edit the depths of the experience data and make it appear more accurate. For the same goal, there are still some today who defragment their EXP files at D52 :lol:

Then I saw the source codes of brainlearn and stockfishmz being renamed to proteussf, the EXP files on tourney without "experience book=true" or with "experience book min depth=4", the hexedited release of Eman renamed to Blue, Deep Blue, etc that's when I started the bombardments :twisted:

They started first so I don't give a damn about those who judge my behavior, I don't give a damn about being banned 1000 times or for life, I don't give a damn anymore. However, before each denouncement :arrow: i gather the evidence :!:

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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by deeds » Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:07 pm

Every time you say that :
Sedat wrote: ...
I am 26+ years In eng + book tours
...
I understand you are afraid that EXP files were more useful than BIN books, that you hate learning engines because they gain ELO faster than NNUE, etc.

Unfortunately for you, EXP files can help the engine's evaluations but also can be used as BIN books (experience book=true). BIN books can't fill the engine's hash (because no score/depth) and they are dead things which wait for their human intervention.

When each new net gains few ELO, the net does not yet play the openings to perfection. For example, when Stockfish wins new ones, it can lose others, Stockfish does not memorize the most effective moves for all the openings it has won. All the opposite with learning engines, they learn new openings endlessly.

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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:00 am

@to Honest people

1st of all, what happened in latest days?
Once more I noticed that 'chess' is not all!
Because going in fight furthermore with Deeds,
Really will be totally meaningless! Moreover,
Since today, I realized to take a good relax! Btw,
Thanks to Deeds (for his attacks...) for this!!
You may see, finely I am thankful to him too !)
And here I am not joking..

Sure after some time, when I will be active again,
I hope to run some tours, but with new conditions..
At least I plan/hope to spend less efforts for chess!
Sometimes I wonder too,
Is it worth to spend so much efforts and all for free?

Continuing...

About learning future engines, this should be known too:
I loved them.. be sure! but I stopped testing them (as learning,)
As main reason: for more fair conditions !!
Since I test various Top engines, which are not capable
To learn...correct Me please...if I am wrong here?!

Is this all? not of course, just imagine again,
I build long-run rating with only learning future engines etc.
And what about in case of new entries (in Gauntlet mode)?
I mean the pre-learned already ones vs non-learned ones?
This is as other question but
How much these matches will be fair? you may know,
For long-run time ratings:
I prefer round-robin + gauntlet via many eng players and
The target is also to produce many eng or book games too!
For more detailed info (in case of Gauntlet), you can read:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-1

And I hope also now that,
You see my point of view about why I prefer
Usually as non-learning (for all) ! if still
Not so clear, just for more fair conditions!

Is this all? not of course, just imagine again,
You are in my shoes and you've a machine as mine,
What you will do? Non-ending tours and for life-time?
In other words, What about real (non-chess) life?

That's why easy to talk, but hard to manage all over,
Sure I refer if you are in love, and interested in chess..

Thanks for reading and understanding!

Greetings )

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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by deeds » Thu Nov 14, 2024 4:01 pm

Following Sedat's lies/inventions/accusations, Igbo confirmed in full what we already knew, namely :

Igbo's LesChats bin books are public :
Desvelemosafrica wrote: the leschats opening book which logically can be used by everyone for tests, tests, etc. for that is public
Jorge Ruiz Centelles
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Igbo's EXP files are private :
Desvelemosafrica wrote: regarding experience files, which are generated by gauntlets, are not public.
Jorge Ruiz Centelles
source


Igbo's EXP files sharing is restricted to his friends :
Desvelemosafrica wrote: any experience file generated which are private and although shared with some friends, for their personal use, they are not files to share with anyone else, nor for tournaments, nor for anything.
Jorge Ruiz Centelles
source
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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by deeds » Thu Nov 14, 2024 4:05 pm

For the record :
deeds wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:45 pm
I confirm : no need of the Igbo's hypnos.exp from 2024 because i train my own hypnos.exp since 2022
I confirm : no need that Igbo sent his hypnos.exp from 2024 to me because i train my own hypnos.exp since 2022
I confirm : i train my own hypnos.exp since 2022 because i got a copy of the HypnoS 040122 engine from MZ (= trusted source)
Signature of my hypnos.exp file :

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Don't be surprised if Sedat will again understand the exact opposite of what Igbo said because Sedat can't blame himself :lol:

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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:08 pm

@to Honest people

1st of all,
I was not planning to post here anymore, but
After checking again...not all in my hands!
But this is as last posting here..anyone is free
To believe to Deeds bullshits anymore or not..

And unfortunately and as usually,
Deeds's nonsense series are ON !!

Why I say like that? Because again,
The more Deeds talks the more he sinks!

If not so clear, we just wonder only:
From where did Deeds get Igbo exp?
Or who shared Igbo exp to Deeds?
Or maybe Deeds hacked Mr. Jorge's PC?

Note also that, and if I am not wrong:
According to real Exp Author (Mr. Jorge)
Mr Jorge shared nothing to Deeds in 2024 or before!

What I can say more over and over:
When Deeds feels guilty.. his target is
So simple..to fill all currernt pages with
Many rubbish quotes + proofless screenshots!
Reason..to be hard to be read by members ))
But his cheap trick did not work..as before!)

And see please, what is going on:

Posting by Igbo EXP Author (Mr. Jorge):
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unlike any experience file generated
which are private and although shared
with some friends, for their personal use,
they are not files to share with anyone else,
nor for tournaments, nor for anything.

SOURCE:
viewtopic.php?f=4&p=38017&sid=a07595b6f ... fc0#p38017

In French,
And who know? this time may help to Deeds:
contrairement à tout fichier d'expérience
généré qui est privé et bien que partagé
avec certains amis, pour leur usage personnel,
ce ne sont pas des fichiers à partager avec
quelqu'un d'autre, ni pour des tournois,
ni pour quoi que ce soit.

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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by deeds » Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:24 pm

We are not friends with Igbo so I am not on the restricted list of Igbo shares :
Sedat wrote: ...
According to real Exp Author (Mr. Jorge)
Mr Jorge shared nothing to Deeds in 2024 or before !
...
Maybe Sedat will finally understand :
deeds wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:45 pm
I confirm : no need of the Igbo's hypnos.exp from 2024 because i train my own hypnos.exp since 2022
I confirm : no need that Igbo sent his hypnos.exp from 2024 to me because i train my own hypnos.exp since 2022
I confirm : i train my own hypnos.exp since 2022 because i got a copy of the HypnoS 040122 engine from MZ (= trusted source)
Or not ! :lol:

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Re: personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:18 pm

@ For Honest People

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