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By the way, just I'd like to add (in case of 3700+ NNUE tours),
Ponder OFF games seems to be in close quality as Ponder ON!
Sure I mean if we run serious tours under Blitz conditions...

On other hand,
Not sure about fast Bullet...actually I'd not much surprised
Even Ponder OFF matches to be better than Ponder ON...
Reason (during game play) engine may suffer...due to no
Much time to ponder (during opponent's turn..) of course
To be sure 100%...we need serious fast Bullet testings...!
Now I am too busy...but later I may try...


Greetings

Great!

Many thanks

Best regards.

Anton101 wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:58 pm Great!

Many thanks

Best regards.

Hello dear Anton,

Anyhow, I realized to not run fast Bullet Auto232 test
Between Ponder ON vs Ponder OFF, as main reason:
Let's say we use 30 sec + 0.5 sec under Arena GUI
This time, there will be some delay e.g during Local
And Remote players...because Arena GUI suffers
In case of using very fast time controls!

Sure, there are some ways for more fair test..
I mean we can run more accurate Auto232 test e.g
To set 40 sec+ 0.5sec for Ponder OFF player,
Where 30 sec+ 0.5sec for Ponder ON player
But is it worth, this is other question ?)

By the way,
Fritz series up to v13, Shrdedder GUIs are stable in Auto232
But no any option to run at fast Bullet e.g 30sec + 0.5sec
Cutechess or Banksia's TC offer ultra, fast Bullet...
But this time no option of running Auto232 matches...

In other words, like humans.. )
No any GUI is perfect too..but we have to be satisfied with that!

Greetings )

I don't use Banksia GUI, I don't use arena chess, just Fritz and cutechess-cli to test my updates against the latest SF development and MZ, Eduard Nemeth and OrgZ engines.

I always use with ponder OFF, giving me very optimal results. Now I only have 4 cores on the PC, of ​​which I use 1 core to test the engine. Try ponder ON, it's not positive on my PC, but with your equipment this is possible.

Regards.

Anton101 wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:03 pm I don't use Banksia GUI, I don't use arena chess, just Fritz and cutechess-cli to test my updates against the latest SF development and MZ, Eduard Nemeth and OrgZ engines.

I always use with ponder OFF, giving me very optimal results. Now I only have 4 cores on the PC, of ​​which I use 1 core to test the engine. Try ponder ON, it's not positive on my PC, but with your equipment this is possible.

Regards.

Yes..you are on the right way via Ponder OFF

Actually, Ponder ON can be very powerful..but as NON-NNUE!
But since NNUE, everything is changed, exc. my love to chess!)

Greetings )

Hello there )

1st of all, and as usual:
Many thanks to all authors..without you:
SCCT would not exist!

And here are the planning participants, which
Will be played firstly in Second League tour!

Btw, sure later..the best (highest ranked)
Will be qualified into Super League tour...
And I hope you like my current new idea !?

PARTICIPANTS:
Brainlearn 25.2 by K. Kiniama, A. Manzo
CatroPOLY 310723 by Stockfish developers
Cool-Iris 11.10 by Anton Ces
Corchess 240823 by I. Ivec
DeepBlue 280623 by IBM Team
EMAN 9.40 by Khalid Omar
Incognito 020823 by I. Ivec, E. Nemeth
LittleBeast 2-sl by E. Nemeth, K. Omar
Raid v2.73 by Tanick Ramz
RapTora 2.2 AC by Anton Ces
ShashChess 33.2 by K. Kiniama, A. Manzo
SpecTral GNX 2.4.0 by Anton Ces
Stockfish 220823 sl by Eduard Nemeth
Stockfish 240823 by Stockfish developers
Swordfish 15.5 by Dorzs
TACTICAL 220823 by Anton Ces
Vanilla v13 by Team JaR-Heads

More Details:
-Plus all above engines created by Stockfish developers too!
-Many ones created mainly by Anton Ces: 4, Eduard Nemeth: 3
So more chances to see a winner (from mentioned authors)
-Later there is a possibility to be entered more engines e.g
DarkSisTer, Kayra, PREDATOR, Kookaburra etc. but as firstly
The new versions (never played before) will be participated!
Exc. I realized to test one of the best (based on recent records)

By the way, as far as possible:
Only publicly available engines are planning to be played...

More Info Soon...

Meanwhile, for any questions, interest...
Please feel free to Contact Me.. if possible
Via SedatChess site: see Contact section:
https://sites.google.com/site/computerschess/contact
Thank you


Best,
Sedat

Great!

Many thanks.

Anton101 wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2023 5:18 pm Great!

Many thanks.

You are welcome )

And nice to see that you like my chess activities!

By the way,
I have a few questions, sure if not Top secret of course )

Why RapTora2.2's produced values are different than all other 3750 ?
I mean not so close (in similarity) to many other rest SF-Based ones ?

Other question,
How (even as old-dated engine) is performed better than all (in many tours) ?
I admit that your engine managed to break-down the well-known formula rules!
Normally newer should perform better...?! but..here I wonder, how is possible?

And as last question,
Is there any other learning engine (to be similar in learning way) as RapTora 2.2 ?
Because..as far as I noticed, no one prefers auto learned moves..
And If available...which chess engine ?

Thanks in advance...

Best,
Sedat

Hi!

The NNUE network is different (RapTora 2.2 uses an older network compared to the latest SF 16 development), RapTora 2.2 contains documents that were removed by removing the classic evaluation in SF 16 in these latest developments.

With that we already have an approx 30% difference.

Best regards.

Anton101 wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2023 8:11 pm Hi!

The NNUE network is different (RapTora 2.2 uses an older network compared to the latest SF 16 development), RapTora 2.2 contains documents that were removed by removing the classic evaluation in SF 16 in these latest developments.

With that we already have an approx 30% difference.

Best regards.

Hello,

Thanks a lot for your valuable comments...

Btw, just out of curiosity,
I tested Stockfish 27.02.2023, which is very close in date to RapTora 2.2,
Plus both mentioned engines use exactly same nn-52471d67216a.nnue
Where both engines show some close similarities as 68%, but I can't say
As very very close to each other...as we know some show over 75%-80%-90%+

And here are the mentioned new results, which still not officially published:
417. Engine RapTora 2.2-AC and Stockfish 270223 show a similarity of 68.14%

Greetings