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Sedat wrote: ...
Before making silly comments...
Otherwise I will start to think that their BRAINS are NOT valid
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Sedat wrote: ...
your comments are already proved such as Bla, Bla, Bla...
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Sedat wrote: ...But main diffrence than you
You have so much BIG ego
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Are you normal ? or what kind of guy you are ?
Are you troll here or what.. ?
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but please when you grow up..
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Sedat wrote: ...
do not try to fool again all people here
Because you are not good boy...!!
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with your BIG ego..came and started to write Bulshit
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Sedat wrote: ...
what a pity also that, in our chess hobby there are
Some arrogant members
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what kind of sick mentality can be of that?
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not professional!
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Sedat wrote: ...I have no any idea
About what you are talking
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are you hacker ?
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So, all of your published screenshots...
Are meaningless
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Sedat wrote: ...
are far away from good humanity, understanding etc.
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because such people like you
Are simply hopeless
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Sedat wrote: ...
Because this guy is hopeless plus he has no
Clue what is going on
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tried to fool many times all the people
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Sedat wrote: ...
But later coming as BIGGEST expert etc..and mainly BLA BLA BLA ))
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Sedat wrote: ...but what a pity that so
Far their comments did not make much sense!
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Conclusion : as soon as this guy asks you a question, run away or prepare to be insulted !

For the others, we do as usual, we continue to have fun when we see results of tourneys with engines in training mode

There are only daily testers not to be ashamed to produce tourneys conditions where learning engines only have 50% of conformity with their experience data

How ironic that they think we are hopeless when we have demonstrated for months/years the nextgen performance (+100 elo, +200 elo) of learning engines and they are still showed poor results as 2-1, 1-0, etc.

I think it is time to stop attacks between both parts too (experience team vs book testing team), try o improve and enjoy!

Each one has its side of expertise, its testings and its data. Some may not like / disagree with testings of the other... I mean... thats just fine.

Arguing agressively is so tiring and doesnt contribute positively to the forum in my opinion. Just let everyone continue by its side... but dont ping others or mention others because it may lead to an argument...

On my side, I am interested more in one of the parts, (experience file testings, training, advises) but I also respect the other part.

Anyways, Sedat knows I dont agree with some of the things, but it is just fine now, I hope it is fine from your part too...

Regarding DeeDs, continue with all of your tests showing how good engines with learning feature can be and what can they accomplish... people still dont realise how strong this technology is but they will surely know...

Regards and thanks for reading,

Ibai

IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm I think it is time to stop attacks between both parts too (experience team vs book testing team), try o improve and enjoy!

The same causes often produce the same effects :

As long as Sedat lies to people about learning engines he will deserve this name and shame

As long as Sedat reassigns the filenames of experience files or opening books he will deserve this name and shame

IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm ...people still dont realise how strong this technology is...

Because Sedat-like daily testers lie to them with their stupid settings and stupid tourney's conditions with learning engines


As far as I'm concerned, I've put the links to the proofs of what I'm saying. I create topics with screenshots, settings and files at each step of the process.

For example, if one of my experience files started a game with 1.f4, we should find its score and depth in the games but that's not the case So why would someone rename his own "1.f4" book creation to blablabla "deeds" She must really be bothered

If you love liars and saboters, i am ready to break contact with you all, to change forums, to no longer share my tools, to remove my available tools, I don't care.

You already know my opinion on all of this DeeDs, I agree with you mostly and you know that...

People who are knowledgeable about learning engines like you and arguably me will know when test results are relevant or not for us... We discussed this too...

Your methods for training are now used widely and by more people because of the results they give...

Dont take me wrong... I just think that arguing is so tiring and it is not the way to continue...

Hope you understand anyways

IbaiBuR wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:18 am ...Dont take me wrong... I just think that arguing is so tiring and it is not the way to continue...

Hope you understand anyways

People tell me that as you can see above, Sedat has no intention of wasting his own century of book testing by acknowledging that learning engines perform better he will continue to lie again and again

From our side, engine's trainers know how to find tons of out-of-book in all their opening books so we have the whole future ahead of us

Books, are you ready


Oops

They told me that Sedat's eyes should have problems to read EXP's filesizes. As i already gave several times these values on my website and different forums, i wonder how many days/weeks it will take to someone to find it and maybe tell it to Sedat

deeds wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:39 pm I don't asked Conrog about SCCT's conditions but he already said :

conrog wrote: I never look after bullet games on 1 thread (1 minute+0.5s games) because those time controls create lots of blunders. For exemple just looking to games losed by OPTIMUS, I found 4 lost games with big blunders...

As expected, Conrog wasn't the only one not to valid tourney's conditions with so little threads/engine :

MZ wrote: I've never shared Community tests
STC and LTC use only 1 Thread
It makes little sense to me

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deeds wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:01 pm They told me that Sedat's eyes should have problems to read EXP's filesizes. As i already gave several times these values on my website and different forums, i wonder how many days/weeks it will take to someone to find it and maybe tell it to Sedat

I confirm, Sedat's eyes also have problems to read shop's hours !
Another one who wants to use a shop only when it's closed

As expected after all these evidences, no one goes to risk answering Sedat's questions.

We're still going to have a lot of fun when, one day, they will compare the filesizes of the experience files with those of the opening books

Let's imagine if they don't know the entry sizes about the "polyglot bin", "SugaR Experience version 1", "SugaR Experience version 2", "Experience version 3.0" or "Experience version 3.1" file's formats, they won't be able to compare the stored moves number on each file