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Sedat Canbaz wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:50 am Breaking News - 01.12.2023:
And here is the 1st played results of Super League...yes, under these cond.
The situation is different..as we see, without assistance..it's harder for sure!
But I admit that well-tuned and most recent updated books are unstoppable!
Especially I mean about SENTINEL, ORIONPAX, Unicornio, Red Dragon etc.
Anyhow, the tour is still in beginning, let's see ranking after more games..
Because 400 games can be considered as not so bad data, but not enough...

Current Book Leader: SENTINEL - Congrats to Roger Constantinesco!

For Super League's Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... s-22-super


Best,
Sedat

quiet the interesting tournament, i wonder if sentinel will maintain his position

OrgZ wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:22 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 11:50 am Breaking News - 01.12.2023:
And here is the 1st played results of Super League...yes, under these cond.
The situation is different..as we see, without assistance..it's harder for sure!
But I admit that well-tuned and most recent updated books are unstoppable!
Especially I mean about SENTINEL, ORIONPAX, Unicornio, Red Dragon etc.
Anyhow, the tour is still in beginning, let's see ranking after more games..
Because 400 games can be considered as not so bad data, but not enough...

Current Book Leader: SENTINEL - Congrats to Roger Constantinesco!

For Super League's Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... s-22-super


Best,
Sedat

quiet the interesting tournament, i wonder if sentinel will maintain his position

Thanks...

A good question,
It all depends on the next opponents..
But it seems Sentinel is one of serious Champ candidates..


Greetings

Hello there again )

Well, right now I noticed a private message by Top author,
Who was claiming that 3800 Elo is high...and that's why
Mostly Public books can not qualify..

So due to respect...I decided to not give his book names etc.,
But quite interesting...so I realized to share some of my thoughts:
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1st of all
Tour's target is not against the Public opening books !!
And to be more clear even I give Champ tittles for them!
Evem when they are much ranked below than private ones!
Plus if so far, almost all public ones could not manage..
And frankly, I think that this is not my problem, right ?)

Meanwhile,
Right now I am testing many other Public books too..
And if I am not wrong.. one more Public book managed to
Qualify (by Cevdet Sari)..so two Public ones are qualified!
And who knows?) maybe in the next minutes, hours, days..
More public ones will qualify.?..it is just matter of time!

On other hand and as I stated before,
Unfortunately some Top books were not so lucky..
E.g one of the Public books is yours...But who knows?)
E.g if I re-play the same test ..it may be in...
Sometimes really 'luck' is required... be aware of that too
Your book or any other can not be always became as Champion!
It is impossible that each time and any cond. to qualify etc. !

Regarding the new qualification rule of 3800+ Elo,
I think that 3800 is not extremely high for Super League!
Otherwise, what is the point?..if will be easy barrier ?)
And just in case... if we will drop less Elo points etc.
Then we can not call and name it as Super League, right ?

Just a few examples more,
Exc. that HCanFree (as 6-months old) is qualified...
As other example,
I spent about 10 min for creation for Sun book, where
Mmanaged to qualify...even without any beta test etc.
Just imagine..if a experienced book maker will run some
Experimental, serious tests and special hand tuning etc.
Then very likely will pass easy 3800+ Elo points!

One thing more,
No Book is performed 3780 Elo in points, right ?
So just +20 Elo is needed over 3800+ Elo
I mean it should not be so hard...to reach...?
Besides, the engine opponents are 20 Elo weaker..
Plus mostly of my created, used lines for 10 Constants
Books can be considered as very old-dated openings !!

Anyhow,
This is as new book concept of testings..
I mean Superior strong engine to play vs
Weaker engines (about 20 Elo weaker)!
Sure some lines may not work as before..
But via harder work, as you know:
There is nothing impossible!

As final words,
The good news is that some books including some of yours,
Are already managed to qualify in Super League tour as well!
The bad news is that,
I can not suit to all Authors needs..not all in my hands!
Sorry...

And without to not mention this I can not as well,
If your all books were as qualified in Super League ?
Then I wonder, did you believe that 3800+ is high ?))

But however,
Just fun tours...no more...no less and please
Do not take too seriously the latest results !)

Have a nice weekend to all )

Best,
Sedat

Breaking News - 01.12.2023:
Another update for today, 7 entries again and again 2 managed to qualify!
Very interesting...two old-dated ones are managed to be in Super League!
E.g Bloom book (by Skynet) and ChessBot (by Cevdet Sarı) belonging to
Many months ago, in other words, really impressive...Btw, for more details
About current new rules etc....you can read at Openchess or at Goi forum
Note also that soon as possible, both qualified books will be played in SL

Second League Leader: EVEREST - My Congratulations to Ivan Alekseev!
Congrats to qualified authors too..unfortunately some were not so lucky..

For Latest Standings of Second League:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bn-cs-22


Best,
Sedat

ideal engine for book testing cfısh no nnue

cubail wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:43 pm ideal engine for book testing cfısh no nnue

+1

Breaking News - 02.12.2023:
A BIG update: 16 entries...5 of them managed to qualify in Super League
So far, if checking overall stats: 36% of the books are managed to qualify!
And if I'm not wrong, 5 of the qualified books are public ..not bad indeed...
In same time time that means, very hard tour for sure..but as I said before:
A well-tuned...updated book has much more chances to pass 3800+ Elo !
Sure sometimes LUCK is required, but there are such great books, where
Luck plays less importance, in other words I can summarize over this issue:
If strong opening lines less luck needed..If weak lines more luck is needed...
A few words about the latest entries, Taram is a public one by Cevdet Sari
Xperimental is private one by Angel Morano, DON Hercules W private too,
Which is based on only wins...but it is tuned to prefer all DON book's wins..
Note that I did not touch the current tours wins (based on previous DON wins)
Beast is private one by Olivier Charles, Yorubaupdate is public, Africaata is
Private one, but both are created by Jorge Centelles, Globe is private one
By Ian Hurnavich, about rest entries: I think that it's not required, I assume
You know... but if you are not aware . just do not hesitate to ask, contact..
What I can say more, now waiting Me a lot of job.. because many qualified
Participants have to be played in Super League but since today my 1st job
Will be to run/resume SL tour so please stay tuned because in next update,
1st Champs will be announced...Btw, I'm very excited..I assume you too ?)

For Latest Standings of Second League:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bn-cs-22


Best,
Sedat

Funny how books can turn out to be or perform.... My book is made of 70% of games from my beta testings of all my engines in a TC of 1+1, 2+1, 3+1 and 5+1 30% are from outside all wins no draws HENCE THE NAME LC.

But the update that am working on am thinking of adding 5 if not 10% drawn games but carefully selected ones not just random draws .

And Thank you for the update Mr Sedat, stay well.

OrgZ wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:47 pm Funny how books can turn out to be or perform.... My book is made of 70% of games from my beta testings of all my engines in a TC of 1+1, 2+1, 3+1 and 5+1 30% are from outside all wins no draws HENCE THE NAME LC.

But the update that am working on am thinking of adding 5 if not 10% drawn games but carefully selected ones not just random draws .

And Thank you for the update Mr Sedat, stay well.

Not at all Mr. Tanick

Really, 70% of the games are produced on your PC ?
Not many are working on this system way....!

Anyhow, it seems that
Your LooseCanon is based on high-quality games!
If nothing else, it is clear that it has less holes for sure...

Be aware oıf that to, so far I did not check carefully...
But according to my experience...
You have to add newer, stronger opening variations..
Sure I mean, if your target is to be Number ONE...

Greetings

The 30 percentage that is leading the book is from your machine and other people's machines. The rest that r defending are from my machine